News Blurb on ayres Prosecutor

There is a brief new article posted in the San Francisco Chronicle (pdf) about prosecutor McKowan, the prosecutor in the william hamilton ayres child molester criminal case.

 The article is similar in detail to other recent news blurbs, but with additional quotes from Victoria Balfour.

Notably, the article reads in a very non-biased manner, at least as far as I'm concerned.

Here's a quote from the article:

Balfour had accused McKowan of a number of transgressions, including failing to contact doctors who trained with former child psychiatrist William Ayres and who, she said, would have strengthened the molestation case against him.

Just to refresh everyone's memory about just a few of the doctors that Balfour chased down and asked if they were trained to perform "medical exams" as part of their therapy:

➲ Dr. Morton Kurland [ Did his child psychiatry residency at Yale New Haven Children Center during  the same time frame that ayres was getting his “training”]: 

Kurland was shocked at the notion of giving physical exams to children and states: “We were taught not to put even a hand on the shoulder of a child” and “For him to use this as an excuse for his behavior is pathetic. The idea that child psychiatrists do this sort of thing is just off the boards."

➲ Stephen Shaffer, [Judge Baker Children’s Center COO]:

"The idea that our psychiatrists were trained to give physical exams like that in therapy is just preposterous. It's absurd. It's horrifying. I've been in the field for a long time and I have never heard of child psychiatrists being trained to do this. We've trained close to 1000 psychiatrists and we have never taught this. I just can't imagine it."

➲ Gordon P. Harper MD, [Did his residency at Judge Baker Children’s Center in early 1970’s]:

"In my Judge Baker training, we didn't even do a neurological exam on children." And "It's a dodge that other child psychiatrists use who are molesting children."

➲ Dr. Lee Willer, [trained WITH ayres at Judge Baker Children’s Center in the 1960’s]: 

"In fact, we were advised not to do physicals on children"

➲ Psychologist Nicholas Verven, [ at Judge Baker at the same time as ayres, and knew both william AND Solveig ayres]: 

"Physical exams of children would not be supported by the training we had. Ayres was certainly not trained to do this at Judge Baker."

➲ Psychologist Irving Hurwitz, [supervisor at Manville School and also remembered both ayres and Solveig]:

“There were very strict rules as to how therapy with children would be done, and physical exams were not done. Any hint that any therapist would be doing physicals would raise serious concerns."

➲ Psychologist Roger Bibace, [worked at Judge Baker in the same time frame that ayres was there]: 

"Nobody was trained to give physical exams at Judge Baker, " he said. "This is revolting! This sounds just like that Mel Levine case!"

➲ Dr William Beardslee, [professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and Children’s Hospital]: 

Said he “knows of no child psychiatrist either at Judge Baker or anywhere else who was ever trained to give physical exams to kids in therapy.”

➲ Dr. Pauline Hahn, [psychologist and research director at Judge Baker for 54 years recalled "Bill" Ayres]:

States that child psychologists were "NEVER trained to give physical exams."

➲ Dr. Joan Zilbach, [(now deceased) worked with william ayres at Judge Baker]: 

Stated that “Neither she nor Ayres nor anyone else in their group was trained to give "physicals" at Judge Baker.”

➲ Dr. Milton Shore, [On staff at Judge Baker in the general time frame that ayres was there]: 

"Never, never, never did you touch a child in therapy!" he said, forcefully. "It was very implicit. You didn't do physical exams. Period.You just didn't do it !

➲ Dr. Richard Hinckley Wolff, [Did residency at Judge Baker with william ayres]:  

"I never heard of anyone doing a physical at Judge Baker. I never did one myself and I never remember anyone presenting a case where they had done a physical. I've never heard of it."

➲ Dr. David Reiser, [Trained at Judge Baker in 1954-1956]:  

“If there had been any instance in which a child needed a physical exam, the physical exam would have been done at Children's Hospital, which was right across the street.”

➲ Dr Jacqueline Amati Mehler, [Trained with ayres, and remembered him well]: 

"At Judge Baker, child psychiatrists treated the children's minds only.  The pediatricians examined the children. "

➲ Dr Stanley Walzer, [at Judge Baker while ayres was there, Director of Judge Baker in the 1970s]:

“Me, I didn't do physical exams on kids. To suggest we did at Judge Baker is crazy!!” 

➲ Dr. Joseph Mullen, [at Judge Baker while ayres was there]: 

“We didn't do physical exams in psychiatric sessions with children. That's not part of the psychiatric treatment. No way!!” 

➲ Dr. Dan Ditmore, [at Judge Baker while ayres was there]:  

"I didn't do physical exams on children and neither did anyone else there." 

A Reader Comments

One of our readers was following along with our comments about recent articles in the press, and had some observations about this recent article in the Mercury News (pdf).

Chris from the Internet provides this analysis of Joshua Melvin's article (Text from the Mercury News article is in italics):

REDWOOD CITY -- In a wide ranging court filing Tuesday, the defense for a once-renowned Peninsula child psychiatrist accused of molesting his patients sought to delay his retrial, revealed an accuser lied, and wants local prosecutors thrown off the case.

You say “revealed an accuser lied” as if that is what happened. To have revealed something to you it would have to have been something he discovered and no one else knew about. The fact is the only legit way to convey that idea is to say “The defense attorney told me he believes a victim lied on the stand based on Police record and transcripts of prior testimony.”

Not only didn't he reveal anything to you it is impossible for him to have since he bases the allegation on an existing record.

William Ayres' defense attorney said he wants to delay the March 11 trial in San Mateo County Superior Court on nine counts of child molestation because he needs more time to prepare and the prosecution hasn't turned over key pieces of evidence.

"To date the prosecution (has) failed to provide a significant amount of discovery that has been requested since December of 2012," wrote defense attorney Jonathan McDougall.

Among the evidence McDougall wants is the prosecution's proof that "a named victim perjured himself on the witness stand" at Ayres' 2009 trial, which ended in mistrial. Prosecutors on Tuesday named the accuser as Steven S. The alleged victims' full names were not used at trial.

2nd paragraph: Straightforward enough - 3rd  & 4th  paragraph:
What stands out here is that he is requesting the proof for the thing you claim he revealed to you. Exactly how did he reveal something to you that he has yet to get proof of?

That’s some ace reporting there.

Steven S. testified he didn't file a police report in 1992 alleging he'd been sexually assaulted at San Mateo County's juvenile lock up. But, prosecutors said, he did lodge a complaint with law enforcement agents.

Apples and oranges. “Steven S. testified he didn't file a police report in 1992 alleging he'd been sexually assaulted at San Mateo County's juvenile lock up. But, prosecutors said, he did lodge a complaint with law enforcement agents.” Aside from that sentence being bad use of English, filing a Police report and reporting to law enforcement agents aren't even comparative. What are “law enforcement agents” in this context?
The story as I have read it is that he reported to his counselors in the situation and they reported it to the police and apparently he never knew this. Even if he make a report himself, did his forgetting something of the events during the most traumatic interaction of his life so inexplicable that it is proof of criminal intent? Does the alleged fact of this report existing change anything materiel in the case or his testimony about being abused?

How is it an ace reporter can’t see through such semantic manipulation by an attorney?

Deputy District Attorney Melissa McKowan also has evidence victim's advocate Victoria Balfour "altered the memories and testimony of several witnesses," McDougall wrote.

Non sequitur here, “Deputy District Attorney Melissa McKowan also has evidence victim's advocate Victoria Balfour "altered the memories and testimony of several witnesses," McDougall wrote.” From an unsupported accusation about witnesses to an unsupported attack on a previously unnamed person by the Prosecutor in this case. Hmmm Where exactly does this non sequitur come from? What is this evidence?

What info does the ace reporter have that justifies using it?

Prosecutors say they will not again put the lying accuser on the stand or any witness that wouldn't be
credible to a jury. They also say there is no evidence they can't present the case fairly.

Apparently you have spoken to or read a statement by prosecutors, otherwise who did they “say” these things to? Did they really say “lying accuser” or is that your applied moniker?

"If I were the defense, I'd want us off the case too," said Karen Guidotti, the chief deputy district attorney. "We're committed in seeking justice for Dr. Ayres."

McDougall didn't respond to an email seeking comment Tuesday.

You already have what he wants you to say why reply and risk changing that?

The charges against Ayres stem from allegations made by men who were children when they were his patients in the late 1980s and mid-1990s. On the stand they told how Ayres had molested them under the guise of giving a physical. During Ayres' testimony he claimed the exams were an appropriate part of treating the boys.

Factual on it’s face but you leave out a critical fact here. These boys were sent to him by the County of San Mateo for evaluations. You also manage to miss the fact that the allegations include threats of having them removed from their homes if they report him.

More ace reporting?

Ayres is free on $900,000 bail.

The legal filing gives a glimpse into McDougall's strategy in fighting the case, which appeared all but dead until a shocking development this summer.

If you’d bothered to look at any of the case history his strategy has been to avoid conviction by any means necessary.

Ayres, 81, had been sent to a state mental hospital on the belief that dementia had rendered the former San Mateo psychiatrist incompetent for retrial. Then in July a state psychiatrist said the one-time head of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry had faked the condition to avoid prosecution. A San Mateo County Judge agreed and ordered the case to proceed.

This was no valid “belief” it was at best a guise. I saw it as open deception by the defense/prosecution team to make sure Ayers was not convicted. Yes I am alleging the defense and prosecution are a team in this trial. Both sides and the judge were made aware of video taken by a PI showing Ayers behaving normally with no apparent signs of dementia in public engaging with the group he was with freely and without any help or trouble and were not interested. We the People got lucky that the Staff at Napa were professionals and uninterested in playing the game.

McDougall said he plans to ask that the San Mateo County District Attorney's Office be recused from the case. He points to the State Bar of California's investigation into McKowan prompted by complaints from Balfour and others, including alleged victims in the Ayres case. That investigation, which remains open, pitted the prosecutor against witnesses who would presumably testify at a retrial.

Yes another delay tactic. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the allegations you lead this article off with seem to have come from knowledge surreptitiously obtained from the DA’s office? And now we are presented with facts that are part of this complaint to the Bar Association that no one is supposed to have seen? Where did they come from? That said I do agree another DA’s office should be trying this case and should have from the start since SM County’s obvious conflict of interest with Ayers being their go to therapist for evaluations of children for decades and him having worked amiably with the DA’s office for decades.

The probe revealed that some witnesses from the Ayres case had made false accusations against McKowan in the state bar probe. McDougall said he wants that information because it calls into question the credibility of some potential witnesses.

Exactly how is it the ace reporter knows what the report says? Or that it reveals some witnesses made false accusations? (you do like to misuse that word) On this date 3-16-13 it is known the report does not allege any witnesses made false accusations against McKowan.

The state bar said it couldn't comment on the allegations.

"Investigations are confidential so we wouldn't be able to confirm or deny whether the accusations are accurate," Bar spokeswoman Laura Ernde said.

Of course they cannot comment on it.

Balfour said she was curious as to how any information about a supposedly secret investigation had wound up with the defense. She was also upset by the accusations she manipulated the victims.

"I worked for years to help the victims in the Ayres case, pro bono," she said. "I feel kind of sorry for anyone who would make those kind of allegations."

Balfour said she was curious as to how any information about a supposedly secret investigation had wound up with the defense. She was also upset by the accusations she manipulated the victims. "I worked for years to help the victims in the Ayres case, pro bono," she said. "I feel kind of sorry for anyone who would make those kind of allegations."

Sadly ace reporter doesn't give her room to explain the facts she knows about the misinformation that preceded this blurb.

McDougall's legal filing also revealed that he plans to ask that the case be tried in another jurisdiction. He has hired a firm, Trial Innovations, to research the potential bias in San Mateo County's jury pool. Media coverage appeared to be a primary concern, as he notes that over 445 articles have been published on the case since the mid-2000s as well as a "substantial amount" of TV coverage.

Prosecutors said there's no evidence to back that request.

"There has been coverage, but not so much it would justify a change in venue," said Guidotti. "I've seen nothing to show we can't get a fair jury."

This is the prosecution and defense working to delay this trial for as long as possible as they have been since the mistrial. They hope to delay until Ayers dies of natural causes. After all he is in his 80’s. Still you’d think ace reporter would do more research instead of just parroting the perps side of the story which is ironically coming from both the defense and the SMC DA who has a vested interest in losing.


Thanks to Chris for this analysis!



william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.

In Brief: Bar investigation into ayres Prosecutor

The California Bar investigation into ayres prosecutor McKowan has concluded, and there is a small bit of information (and some misinformation) about it written in this rather inadequate article over at The Almanac Online (pdf)

I don't have time to discuss it much at the moment, but may have some thoughts this weekend. I've attached an acrobat version of the article to protect some of the early comments, as the editor appears to be biased and inconsistent in their deletions, so you never know what will stay and what will go.  There are some points of note in the comments, so make sure you read them. (Check the acrobat file!)





william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.

It's Official: william ayres delays his child molest trial again.

Criminal Re-Trial now scheduled for May 13, 2013 at 9am.

william ayres, accused of molesting many young boys under the guise of providing "psychiatric" care, has now officially manged to further delay his trial until May 13, 2013 -- more than six years after his arrest. The tentative re-scheduling was set on March 5th, but judges held off making it official because ayres' defense attorney did not bring ayres to court as was expected.

In today's hearing, ayres was present in the courtroom in his wheelchair, very well groomed, well dressed, and clearly alert. He was parked at the back of the courtroom.  The judge noted ayres' presence, and asked ayres if "you can hear me." -- Everybody wishes that this guy was a slobbering moron --

ayres clearly and loudly answered "Yes."

The judge then asked ayres to re-confirm that he waived his rights to a speedy trial, which was again answered with a clear and loud "Yes."

Of note: None of the issues that McDougall has raised in the last hearing (change of venue, recusal of prosecutor, etc...)  have yet been addressed completely, in part because McDougall did not file paperwork correctly. I would certainly expect to see more hearings and delays in the mean time, although defense strategy is to wait until trial date or near to trial date to bring these matters to the court, so that delay can be maximized.

Also of note: The press has lately taken to presenting ayres as an unkempt-crazed old fool, using photos taken of ayres during the height of his malingering efforts at Napa State. Don't fall for this bullshit. ayres has lost weight to healthy levels for the first time in decades, and is well groomed, and clearly competent and still in charge of his extensive manipulation of the courts.

Article in The San Mateo Daily Journal is here (pdf).

william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.

Reminder: Hearing March 11, 2013

REMINDER: Criminal Hearing Monday

March 11, 2013 8:45 am
Southern Branch, Hall of Justice and Records, 400 County Center, Redwood City, CA

This hearing is for a request by the Defense Shyster to delay the trial for a myriad of made up reasons (see the post below this one), and because he brazenly scheduled himself for another trial for the same time as the ayres trial. 

The prosecutor will argue for or against delay -- No idea which.

Seem like a re-run post? That's because it is. They only tentatively decided on the delay to trial last week, because ayres wasn't actually in court, and the judge probably wants to make sure that he hasn't already fled to Aruba or Thailand or somewhere that doesn't extradite.

Anyhow, probably a formality, and things will be delayed as already mentioned. Nevertheless, ayres is supposed to be there tomorrow for the decision.

If you're planning to attend the hearing: SHOW UP EARLY. The DA has been known to start early in order to avoid making the proceedings public.

If you need court information, look here: ayres' Court Dates




william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.

ayres Child Molest Hearing Update

[update 03/06/2013: Links to news stories on the bottom of the post]

Update in (very) brief:

As we warned, the hearing times seem to move around mysteriously in the San Mateo County court system, so some of the times changed slightly since our update last week:

At 8:30 Judge Freeman heard  Shyster McDougall’s motions to compel discovery. Topics were wide-ranging, covering essentially what McDougall listed in the document that we put up last week.  McDougall apparently filed another document with some specific points for which he wants discovery, but we didn't have access to that document, and details were not spelled out in court.

The Gist: The judge essentially instructed McDougall that the prosecutor has properly disclosed everything that she was required to disclose, with the exception of witnesses that the prosecution has yet to identify. (And therefore can't disclose)

Freeman told McKowan that she’d need to disclose those witnesses as they were identified – a little show to placate the prissy little boy, I guess.

For the discovery of the specific items on McDougall’s delay-list, the prosecution will need some extra time do dig through paperwork, and so the trial is tentatively delayed until May 13th, 2013. 

At 9:00, Judge Foiles was to hear motion to continue, presented by Defense Shyster Bentley who ran defense on the last competency hearing, so that McDougall could hear himself talk on the witness stand. The Freeman hearing was finished at 9:10am, and the ayres case had not come up yet in the other courtroom, so everyone trotted over and McDougall ended up arguing that one too.

The Gist: The judge asked where ayres was, (ayres was not present) and McDougall said that he was out on his 977 health waiver.

The judge told the Shyster that he was concerned about flight risk, and that ayres needs to be there.

Shyster McDougall whined about ayres' medical condition preventing flight for a little while.

The judge told them to come back WITH AYRES on the 11th of March, and then they’d chat.  I assume Bentley will be babysitting the molester, since McDougall has scheduled another trial already.

Trial is tentatively delayed until May 13th, 2013.

UPDATE - IN  THE NEWS:

There are articles up in the Merc and in San Mateo Daily Journal.

Mercury News: One line blurb followed by summary of stuff you already know. Not even worth clicking the link. They weren't there apparently, and their info is based on the document they had a copy of, not what was said in court. The delay is the ONLY new content that they're reporting, and they don't even get that right. (Well that's not entirely true: they also reported that McDougall had no comment.)

The blurb is a waste of electrons, as is the fact that I've even mentioned the blurb. Don't waste more by clicking the link... (Trust me... you'll just end up saying: "asshole blog dude was right....")

San Mateo Daily Journal:
Summary of the hearing. (pdf)They used a photo of ayres from the mid-point of the Napa incarceration to perpetuate this false image that they are painting that ayres is in fact crazed and frail. As soon as ayres knew that Napa had his number, he cleaned himself back up, and he looked NOTHING like the photo.

I'm sure that since the press has bought into the malarkey and is foisting it on public opinion for the defense, he'll probably be instructed to re-up the crazed look.

Nevertheless, read the article as there is some information there.

I was hoping that the press would pick up my slack and provide more info than I did, while I'm running about being busy, but they can't even be relied upon for that....

william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.

REMINDER: ayres Criminal Molest Hearing Tomorrow 3/5/2013

REMINDER: Criminal Hearing TODAY

March 5, 2013 8:45 am
Southern Branch, Hall of Justice and Records, 400 County Center, Redwood City, CA

This hearing is for a request by the Defense Shyster to delay the trial for a myriad of made up reasons (see the post below this one), and because he brazenly scheduled himself for another trial for the same time as the ayres trial. 

The prosecutor will argue for or against delay -- No idea which.

Personally, I'd not like further delay, but do think a change of venue is needed. But I'd also like to see the judge tell McDougall that he'll be jailed for contempt if he's not in court for the ayres trial on the 11th. (And as one astute commenter noted below, judges with testicular fortitude have done just that.) Can't have all three though.

If you're planning to attend the hearing: SHOW UP EARLY. The DA has been known to start early in order to avoid making the proceedings public.

If you need court information, look here: ayres' Court Dates




william hamilton ayres was arrested on April 5, 2007 on charges relating to his molestation of many young boys while he was alleging to provide psychiatric care to private patients as well as referrals for evaluation from the juvenile court system in San Mateo County. ayres has been delaying his way through the system free from custody until this latest gambit to skirt prosecution by playing demented for the courts. ayres is currently under the conservatorship of his daughter Barbara Ayres of Sacramento, CA. 

ayres has had significant interaction over the years with local politicians on boards like the "Children and Families First Commission,"  including the DA who was serving when prosecution began Jim Fox and Assemblyman Rich Gordon. In fact, Gordon nominated ayres for a lifetime achievement award for his "Tireless effort to improve the lives of children." ayres has also been vocally supported during his criminal trial by local head-shrinkers like Bart Blinder, Etta Bryant, Mel Blaustein, Harry Coren, Tom Ciesla, Robert Kimmich, Larry Lurie, Maria Lymberis, Richard Shadoan, Captane Thomson, and Harold Wallach.