fwiw: tomorrow (Saturday), there is a multi-family garage sale on Edgewood Road, 2 or 3 houses down from Ms. Etta Bryant's roses. Since she had her own garage sale a few years ago, apparently she is a garage sale afficionado, so perhaps she will make an unscheduled appearance at tomorrow's sale...
Wow, awesome video. I have never seen a guy use a walker so pathetically. Did he get no instructions? As he bears his weight down on the handles it appears the walker just won't roll. His proportions are off, maybe he needs a wheelchair. That walker is pathetic, he would even crush the tennis balls if he had them!
Great video. The covert quality is great. Robert Ayres reminds me of Lurch on the Addams Family. There's something extremely funereal about him.
Sickening to see Etta Bryant, Thea Leavitt in the hall-- Coming out of the building are Creepy Green shirt/stripped shirt guy with Fedora plus one of the plump Biker Chicks and two Granola Chicks( one is Choking Girl) the Beast and Robert. Solveig had already gone to get the car.
This web site is antithetical to everything I believe in terms of the presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt. There is no sliding scale of constitutional protection afforded in inverse proportion to the represhesibilty of the crimes with which a man (or woman) is charged. And unless you are willing to defend the right to a fair trial for all, then none of us have that right.
The only thing that matters in this case is the circumstantial proof of what was in Ayer’s head decades earlier, and whether this jury believes that proof rises to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
The number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
I also feel constrained to add that the decades old subjective perceptions and decades old memories of 40 out of 3,000 Ayres’s patients and their parents to prosecute an MD who touched private parts during a physical examination 30, 20, 04 10 years ago should be viewed with suspicion.
Now, let’s let the cards fall where they may, without further perverse interference from this site or other like minded blog authors.
There is no sliding scale of constitutional protection afforded in inverse proportion to the represhesibilty of the crimes with which a man (or woman) is charged. And unless you are willing to defend the right to a fair trial for all, then none of us have that right.
A) Who said we don't defend the right to a fair trial? ayres has been brought to trial. We sit quietly (for the most part) and act like adults in the courtroom and watch the proceedings hoping that the prosecution is able to get their point across to the jury. The Bacchanal Box, for the most part, does the same.
Web sites have nothing to do with presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt afforded by the constitution, and don't bother to argue otherwise, you're simply incorrect.
The number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
It is correct that they are not relevant to the trial.
during a physical examination...
These were not physical examinations, it was molestation, plain and simple.
A Comment: There is no requirement for you to continue to read this site, if it disturbs you that much.
Anonymous wrote: The number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
The number of supporters who show up at a trial to support the victims ARE RELEVANT to the victims!
(And probably also important to your sick f*ck friend who did this.)
"We sit quietly (for the most part) and act like adults in the courtroom and watch the proceedings hoping that the prosecution is able to get their point across to the jury."
Not exactly correct.
Your also publish and support a web site denominating Ayres as "the Beast", depicting him was a vampire (with photo-shopped blood dripping down his face, with vampire music in the background) which reports false and misleading reports about the trial evidence.
Typical of responses by such sites when called on their foibles, you say well; if it bothers you so much, then don't read our site.
But all of that begs the point I am making that sites like this, albeit under the guise of attacking the apparently guilty, the physically grotesque, the ugly, the man charged with things we either ignore or get accused of being an abuser if we speak out--every such effort diminishes the constitutional protections afforded every citizen of the United States.
Last, by asserting "oh, golly, we are just politely sitting in court waiting for a verdict" and concurrently ignoring your support of this site (which is doing a lot more than that) you are being patently disingenuous.
We either believe in our Constitution or we do not.
If we do, then we do not differentiate between those criminally accused defendants whom we find loathsome and disgusting and those we feel sympathy for.
For those of you with an open heart, I urge you to read about the lynching of Leo Frank—which resulted in the formation of the ADL.
The number of citizens of the United States who fail understand the constitution at it's simplest level, and who don't understand the very basics of the court system astound me, and I can tell from your past writings, drive you crazy too.
The main difference between a cat and a lie is that a cat only has nine lives, by Mark Twain.
How many lies has Ayres told?
I SUPPORT THE VICTIMS!
Sometimes people feel the need to come back to a website and get everybody's knickers in a bunch.
If you have a problem with the content, you can always avoid it.
Just like the book "The Coming of Age" no one will make you look at if you don't want to.
Art or kiddie porn.....that debate could go on til the end of time.
I think it is kiddie porn, Ayres had it, he is a pedophile.
Hey, just my opinion. I sure haven't seen anybody who likes to support Ayres start a blog of their own. Only takes Google a day to crawl your point of view! Get on it!
The thing that's great about Twain, is that it's impossible to find a quote that isn't introspectively painful!
I don't mind what the opposition say of me so long as they don't tell the truth about me. But when they descend to telling the truth about me I consider that this is taking an unfair advantage.
If, you believe as I do that (as you put it) "The number of citizens of the United States who fail understand the constitution at it's simplest level, and who don't understand the very basics of the court system astound me...", you have the perfect teaching opportunity through this blog to educate.
I do not know Ayres.
I do know that he, like Franks, is physically loathsome and beyond that looks scary (which Franks did not), meaning it is more important than ever to assure that he gets a fair trial in an unbiased community atmosphere.
Which by the way you cannot have when (to cite an example) I tried to post a similar comment on T&T and one of its authors who I will not name wrote to a third party blogger who knows me to suggest that perhaps I was an "abuser” also--not unlike the commenter here who called me a cohort of Ayres for speaking my mind about fairness.
That is McCarthyism at its worst—those who stand up comment on the fairness of the process wherein our citizens are blackballed and called communist or gay are branded communist or gay to shut them up. (Today it is issues like alleged child molestation.)
CONVICTED child molesters have no place in our society, but that does not mean we need to be so hysterical about the issue that the pre-convicted (or ultimately acquitted) find themselves in a prejudicial pretrial atmosphere.
Any way that is how I feel about the issue.
PS: I have an adult daughter, and I deeply resent being tarred as an “abuser” or buddy of Ayres just because I have the guts to speak my mind about fairness and due process.
To the person who objects to Ayres being depicted as " The Beast." There is a certain person close to Ayres who has in the past made derogatory comments about victims at medical meetings to other doctors. They have depicted them as money grubbing alcoholics and drug abusers. I know that you know who this person is.
There's a wonderful book by a woman psychiatrist who happened to be married to a psychiatrist who was also a pedophile. They shared a medical practice Obviously when he went to jail they split up. She got better and wrote a book and is doing well.
but that does not mean we need to be so hysterical about the issue that the pre-convicted (or ultimately acquitted) find themselves in a prejudicial pretrial atmosphere.
I happen to know first-hand that ayres is a molester. If there is any "prejudicial pretriall atmosphere" here, it was intiated by ayres many years ago.
I "deeply resent" being called hysterical because I'm finally speaking out against this sub-human piece of trash.
To the person who objects to Ayres being depicted as " The Beast." There is a certain person close to Ayres who has in the past made derogatory comments about victims at medical meetings to other doctors. They have depicted them as money grubbing alcoholics and drug abusers. I know that you know who this person is.
There's a wonderful book by a woman psychiatrist who happened to be married to a psychiatrist who was also a pedophile. They shared a medical practice Obviously when he went to jail they split up. She got better and wrote a book and is doing well.
2. I have never been to a medcal conference and don't know anyone who has--let along spoke about Ayres at such an event.
3. I never called the author of this site "hysterical".
I never even posted on this site until yesterday, I do not know Ayres, and I do care one way or the other if he convicted, as long as he obtains a fair trial.
I do care that we as a society should be allowed to discuss issues of fairness without name calling or assuming that I must be someone who supports Ayres.
Last, the only way one could know "first hand" that Ayre's is a molester is if he molested you, and if that is the case I am sorry for your loss.
I am just a citizen who cares deeply about the ability of people accused of terrible things to obtain a fair trial.
Warning to Solveig and other Ayres accolytes ( all three of them) who have been posting nasty comments here: if you try pulling that same stunt over at Male Survivor you will be run out of town. And banned.
Bloggers don't tip the scales of justice and contaminate the jury pool.
The super highway of information was created for First Amendment Rights.....
Jurors receive instructions not to look or review information regarding the case they are on.
I can't say for certain jurors follow those instructions.
But a juror is more likely to walk past a newspaper stand and see a big headline, than to accidentally hit a button on a computer that comes directly to this site!
So to anonymous so worried about due process, I think Ayres is getting the best unbiased trial his wallet can afford.
He has Doron Weinberg as his defense attorney. He has jurors who hopefully have followed their duties.
Bloggers are part of the new information super highway and that has nothing to do at all about a fair trial.
Each morning the jury does not get the pages of this blog submitted to them.
So I miss the point about remaining unbiased. When a victim of the Beast says, I was molested by him I believe that victim. In fact many, many victims.
The people posting here are already convinced the Beast did what he is accused of, but we are not on the jury.
Why? Why do each of you post? Why do you feel you need to do this? If for some reason he is found not guilty, will you feel some shame? Why should you - because you have wrought unneccessary pressure on the system. You couch what you do as "journalism," yet how is it journalism to demean how the prosecutor dresses, looks, and acts? Don't you think that does anything to her psyche? Well, why does she care what we say, you'll say. The question turns back on you - why do you sit for hours in court? Because you feel you have something to say that other people will take to heart. Do you want the prosecution to fail to make your point that Ayers should have been prosecuted years ago? What does that accomplish? If he goes free, all of you are to blame.
You must be a newbie: we almost never talk about what the prosecutor wears or acts. There's too much comedic relief over in the Ayres' galley to do this.
Come on now! How are we to blame if the prosecution fails? Don't you know that the judge has ordered the jury not to read anything about the case - either in newspapers or the blogs?
If the prosecution fails, they fail but it's nothing to do with us.
We'll throw your question back to you: Why do you post?
I post because, when I was dying inside looking for information about the beast’s arrest and prosecution, I could find nothing substantial, even when major court hearings were held. Sometimes it would be days before I’d hear a blurb. I knew there were others like me out there, too mortified to make contact with people who had information, yet in traumatic pain, needing information about what was going on.
I firmly believe that they are still out there. The faster the information is available, from a perspective that is the same as theirs, the better. (I hope, but don’t have any way to know this for sure.)
If for some reason he is found not guilty, will you feel some shame?
Much of what I’m posting here is either commentary about my own struggles, or commentary about what I’ve seen in open court, press, etc (Information that is already out there, and much of that verifiable.) I don’t have any shame or guilt about posting any of that, and for the most part, it’s pretty accurate, even though posted with my biased tone, there will be no reason for me to feel guilty or shamed about those postings regardless of the outcome.
I have mentioned before that I am a practicing Christian. Every day I struggle with this site. I sometimes post commentary that is opinion that is mean spirited, especially with regard to those who support ayres, and I should not do that, yet I am so hurt by those people that I persist in those posts even though I should not.
I will probably never fully unburden that sin, as I have persisted, even knowing that it will weigh heavily on my soul. I try (even in writing this) to offset some of the burden “see what ayres, the beast, has wrought upon me?” But ultimately, I post these things of my own volition.
If the beast prevails, I will feel great grief, and either way will owe the prosecutor, and others involved, a great debt of gratitude.
If he goes free, all of you are to blame.
I suppose that’s a possibility. Everyone knows what he did now, regardless of the jury's decision and that will not change. Will your pain be lessened if he is locked up? I’m anticipating a devastating emotional collapse at the end of this, regardless of outcome.
This has been a shitty experience, and I’ve done what I thought I needed to do, making mistakes along the way.
Those were great questions, by the way. I’ve been struggling for some time with writing along this line.
It's unfortunate that you still haven't grasped what blogging is or isn't.
You also don't seem to understand that the fate of William Hamilton Ayres will be turned over to the jury next week. They decide.
Ayres took the stand in his own defense. He was given the freedon to talk about a woman stating "she thought I was going to remove my penis from my pants", running around buck naked in school smacking towels, he was able to talk to the jury about women passing gas, he talked about homosexual magazines, he was able to say he didn't examine females because they may just expose their large breasts to him.
If anything he took his right to free speech and extended it right to the jury in person. It is up to the jury to find him innocent or guilty and it always has been.
Why sites like this are important is victims don't get any assistance or psychological help from our government after being a victim or barely from your health insurance anymore. So, in additon to being the victim of a crime, you have to pick up the pieces of PTSD all on your own, and foot the bill if you elect treatment.
One way, and especially in this case where the victims may have been convinced that they were the only victim of Ayres abuse, this BLOG has been a way of sharing feelings amongst each other. You can post on here from anywhere in the world.
And although those feelings can be seen as anger, some sarcasim, sadness, hope, words from others as supportive, and sometimes a laugh - this is the importance of this site. Might I add it is also very educational.
It appears you have never been the victim of a crime. Well I have. Yes, we expect our prosecutor to win every battle and we hope that she does. If we get disappointed it may cause some frustration.
Who isn't mature enough to laugh about what we wear? Including ourselves. I am sure Ms. McKowan can handle it. They say laughter is the best medicine. A prosecutor has to be tough, hopefully pointing out that she wore a brown pantsuit isn't to harsh.
The context of this site is for many types of people to come together and share how the justice system helped or failed them.
Maybe you just haven't been exposed to such failures.
Guilt about a win or lose is not the issue. There was evidence, testimony, expert witnesses and such. It was unfortunate that Ayres porn was suppressed. It was also quite clear that Ayres wanted that suppressed as he pulled out a witness for the defense after this would open the door for his kiddie porn to be admitted.
I can imagine the disappointment when O.J. Simpson was found not guilty by the Goldman family.
But victims have suffered enough guilt and shame in their lives. I will feel disappointment if Ayres is not convicted, but hardly guilt or shame.
I will feel very proud either way that the prosecutor, the victims, Victoria Balfour, the supporters and everybody invloved did what they could to get Ayres dragged to the door of hell.
His finances are destroyed, four pending civil suits to contend with, no nest egg, poor health, he is ultimatley destroyed and those things started way before the date this blog began.
So you want to blame a blog and bloggers and toss in the mix a little guilt and shame. I am not buying what you are serving up.
I have meet blame switchers before.
I may be more advanced in the processes of being a crime victim that I will not accept blame or guilt from someone like you.
I hope Deep Sounding realizes he has no blame, no shame and no guilt in having such a wonderful blog for victims, patients, and sexual abuse survivors etc.
Bravo, for giving people a place to learn about what was done to you at the hands of an evil man.
Ayres would have been in the exact same situation right here, right now, regardless of this blog.
Ayres sold his house before this blog started. Ayres settled a civil suit before this blog started with a victim. Ayres sued his own medical group before this blog started. The four additonal civil suits, now pending, were filed before this blog.
I for one think this site has a useful purpose. Obviously, it is prejudiced and makes no bones about it, as the maker of the site is one of Ayres' victims.
It was not until reading this and other info. about pedophilia that I realized that an event that happened to me several times when I was about 12 was not only not appropriate but wrong and harmful, and in fact the pain of it came to me 50 years after the fact!
Also, I think 40 out of 3000 is a very large number of those who would come forward.
I defend the first amendment right of free speech. The jury is no doubt instructed not to be reading this blog.
Thank you for your post. The number of victims is now upwards of 40. We know of at least three more who have not and most likely will never come forward to the police.
I still wonder if the "Why do you Post" poster has the initials "BG" ? Maybe SA?
He or she doesn't seem to understand the basic principles of a trial. He asks why we sit in court for hours on end? Did it not occur to him that Americans have the right to sit in court and watch trials?
There's something really fishy about someone who tries to act holier than thou and at the same time cast blame. Whoever wrote the Why Do You Post comment is running from reality as fast as he(or she ) can. There's an undertow of emotional pain in that comment that makes me think it was ultimately written by someone in the Ayres family.
I applaud sites such as this and while it is anit-Ayres so what? We're intelligent individuals and come to our own conclusions. That said, I use my experience as part of the Hillsborough medical "elitist" crowd and in looking at the evidence, have come to my own conclusions. I've been out-spoken in my feelings about Ayres guilt, which some may find it interesting that my background and that of my husband is in defense forensic medicine. I have no trouble in defending my husband's expert medical testimony, because there are good physicians in all walks of life. Just because someone is more defense or prosecution orientated does not automatically make them a liar, or discredit their testimony.
HOWEVER, in this case, there is NO excuse for Ayres actions. No one with a moral compass or a half-day course in standard medical procedure, could possibly defend Ayres' conduct. He's an opportunist in the worst sense of the word and those that colluded with him to keep his pathology hidden, are just as guilty. Yes, I'm damning many in the medical community, which is painting with a broad stroke, however I'll be damned if I'll allow young people to be victimized by the likes of predators such as Ayres. I'm hoping for an early conviction on Monday morning and some resolution to his many victims.
Thanks, Susan. Great comments. The closing arguments will go on all day Monday and so the jury probably won't get the case until Tuesday.
Thank you for speaking up. The San Mateo Citizens Review Panel in 2007 received the names of several doctors who had strong suspicions that Ayres was molesting boys. The Panel learned that instead of reporting Ayres, they just stopped sending boys to him. The California Medical Board has the names of these doctors but the statute has run out and prosecuting them.
Perhaps the four victims who are filing the civil suits can use the information on the doctors who failed to act for their cases.
You should try to come to the closing arguments on Monday
To those who are concerned about Dr. William Ayres getting a fair trial in San Mateo County. He couldn't possibly have gotten a cooler trial then this one.
District Attorney James P. Fox should have recused himself since he personally knows Ayres for 40 years and has served on committee"s with him. Fox has crafted a trial with no victims from San Mateo County Juvenile Hall where Dr. Ayres has worked since 1963 to 2005. 3 CPS reports have surfaced but not because of Fox, he keep them out of his case. The defense attorney brought (CPS) one up.
CLOSING ARGUMENTS (continued): 
I would like to see at least 20 supporters of the victims show up today.
ReplyDeleteWill Etta Bryant show again? How about Thea?
Etta Bryant was a no show.......
ReplyDeleteThea was there in the afternoon....
Ayres will testify on Wednesday July 8
ReplyDeletefwiw: tomorrow (Saturday), there is a multi-family garage sale on Edgewood Road, 2 or 3 houses down from Ms. Etta Bryant's roses. Since she had her own garage sale a few years ago, apparently she is a garage sale afficionado, so perhaps she will make an unscheduled appearance at tomorrow's sale...
ReplyDeleteHmmm. perhaps Etta might be selling some of her roses.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the garage sale is a benefit for the Beast!
ReplyDeleteSell off a few old vases and turn the money over to his defense fund!
Oh Etta, maybe we should drop by, will your Mazda Mini Van be parked in the driveway?
580.....
Wow, awesome video. I have never seen a guy use a walker so pathetically. Did he get no instructions? As he bears his weight down on the handles it appears the walker just won't roll. His proportions are off, maybe he needs a wheelchair. That walker is pathetic, he would even crush the tennis balls if he had them!
ReplyDeleteGreat video.......
Great video. The covert quality is great. Robert Ayres reminds me of Lurch on the Addams Family. There's something extremely funereal about him.
ReplyDeleteSickening to see Etta Bryant, Thea Leavitt in the hall-- Coming out of the building are Creepy Green shirt/stripped shirt guy with Fedora plus one of the plump Biker Chicks and two Granola Chicks( one is Choking Girl) the Beast and Robert. Solveig had already gone to get the car.
This web site is antithetical to everything I believe in terms of the presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt. There is no sliding scale of constitutional protection afforded in inverse proportion to the represhesibilty of the crimes with which a man (or woman) is charged. And unless you are willing to defend the right to a fair trial for all, then none of us have that right.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that matters in this case is the circumstantial proof of what was in Ayer’s head decades earlier, and whether this jury believes that proof rises to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
The number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
I also feel constrained to add that the decades old subjective perceptions and decades old memories of 40 out of 3,000 Ayres’s patients and their parents to prosecute an MD who touched private parts during a physical examination 30, 20, 04 10 years ago should be viewed with suspicion.
Now, let’s let the cards fall where they may, without further perverse interference from this site or other like minded blog authors.
There is no sliding scale of constitutional protection afforded in inverse proportion to the represhesibilty of the crimes with which a man (or woman) is charged. And unless you are willing to defend the right to a fair trial for all, then none of us have that right.
ReplyDeleteA) Who said we don't defend the right to a fair trial? ayres has been brought to trial. We sit quietly (for the most part) and act like adults in the courtroom and watch the proceedings hoping that the prosecution is able to get their point across to the jury. The Bacchanal Box, for the most part, does the same.
Web sites have nothing to do with presumption of innocence and reasonable doubt afforded by the constitution, and don't bother to argue otherwise, you're simply incorrect.
The number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
It is correct that they are not relevant to the trial.
during a physical examination...
These were not physical examinations, it was molestation, plain and simple.
A Comment:
There is no requirement for you to continue to read this site, if it disturbs you that much.
Anonymous wrote:
ReplyDeleteThe number of "supporters" who show up at trial or the number of web sites that depict Ayres as not only guilty but as a blood drinking ghoul/vampire are simple not relevant.
The number of supporters who show up at a trial to support the victims ARE RELEVANT to the victims!
(And probably also important to your sick f*ck friend who did this.)
"We sit quietly (for the most part) and act like adults in the courtroom and watch the proceedings hoping that the prosecution is able to get their point across to the jury."
ReplyDeleteNot exactly correct.
Your also publish and support a web site denominating Ayres as "the Beast", depicting him was a vampire (with photo-shopped blood dripping down his face, with vampire music in the background) which reports false and misleading reports about the trial evidence.
Typical of responses by such sites when called on their foibles, you say well; if it bothers you so much, then don't read our site.
But all of that begs the point I am making that sites like this, albeit under the guise of attacking the apparently guilty, the physically grotesque, the ugly, the man charged with things we either ignore or get accused of being an abuser if we speak out--every such effort diminishes the constitutional protections afforded every citizen of the United States.
Last, by asserting "oh, golly, we are just politely sitting in court waiting for a verdict" and concurrently ignoring your support of this site (which is doing a lot more than that) you are being patently disingenuous.
We either believe in our Constitution or we do not.
If we do, then we do not differentiate between those criminally accused defendants whom we find loathsome and disgusting and those we feel sympathy for.
For those of you with an open heart, I urge you to read about the lynching of Leo Frank—which resulted in the formation of the ADL.
Deep Sounding:
ReplyDeleteThe number of citizens of the United States who fail understand the constitution at it's simplest level, and who don't understand the very basics of the court system astound me, and I can tell from your past writings, drive you crazy too.
We're pulling for you here!
Here's a link to Leo Frank.
ReplyDeleteThe main difference between a cat and a lie is that a cat only has nine lives, by Mark Twain.
ReplyDeleteHow many lies has Ayres told?
I SUPPORT THE VICTIMS!
Sometimes people feel the need to come back to a website and get everybody's knickers in a bunch.
If you have a problem with the content, you can always avoid it.
Just like the book "The Coming of Age" no one will make you look at if you don't want to.
Art or kiddie porn.....that debate could go on til the end of time.
I think it is kiddie porn, Ayres had it, he is a pedophile.
Hey, just my opinion. I sure haven't seen anybody who likes to support Ayres start a blog of their own. Only takes Google a day to crawl your point of view! Get on it!
The thing that's great about Twain, is that it's impossible to find a quote that isn't introspectively painful!
ReplyDeleteI don't mind what the opposition say of me so long as they don't tell the truth about me. But when they descend to telling the truth about me I consider that this is taking an unfair advantage.
- Mark Twain
Dear Deep Sounding:
ReplyDeleteIf, you believe as I do that (as you put it) "The number of citizens of the United States who fail understand the constitution at it's simplest level, and who don't understand the very basics of the court system astound me...", you have the perfect teaching opportunity through this blog to educate.
I do not know Ayres.
I do know that he, like Franks, is physically loathsome and beyond that looks scary (which Franks did not), meaning it is more important than ever to assure that he gets a fair trial in an unbiased community atmosphere.
Which by the way you cannot have when (to cite an example) I tried to post a similar comment on T&T and one of its authors who I will not name wrote to a third party blogger who knows me to suggest that perhaps I was an "abuser” also--not unlike the commenter here who called me a cohort of Ayres for speaking my mind about fairness.
That is McCarthyism at its worst—those who stand up comment on the fairness of the process wherein our citizens are blackballed and called communist or gay are branded communist or gay to shut them up. (Today it is issues like alleged child molestation.)
CONVICTED child molesters have no place in our society, but that does not mean we need to be so hysterical about the issue that the pre-convicted (or ultimately acquitted) find themselves in a prejudicial pretrial atmosphere.
Any way that is how I feel about the issue.
PS: I have an adult daughter, and I deeply resent being tarred as an “abuser” or buddy of Ayres just because I have the guts to speak my mind about fairness and due process.
To the person who objects to Ayres being depicted as " The Beast." There is a certain person close to Ayres who has in the past made derogatory comments about victims at medical meetings to other doctors. They have depicted them as money grubbing alcoholics and drug abusers. I know that you know who this person is.
ReplyDeleteThere's a wonderful book by a woman psychiatrist who happened to be married to a psychiatrist who was also a pedophile. They shared a medical practice Obviously when he went to jail they split up. She got better and wrote a book and is doing well.
but that does not mean we need to be so hysterical about the issue that the pre-convicted (or ultimately acquitted) find themselves in a prejudicial pretrial atmosphere.
ReplyDeleteI happen to know first-hand that ayres is a molester. If there is any "prejudicial pretriall atmosphere" here, it was intiated by ayres many years ago.
I "deeply resent" being called hysterical because I'm finally speaking out against this sub-human piece of trash.
To the person who objects to Ayres being depicted as " The Beast." There is a certain person close to Ayres who has in the past made derogatory comments about victims at medical meetings to other doctors. They have depicted them as money grubbing alcoholics and drug abusers. I know that you know who this person is.
ReplyDeleteThere's a wonderful book by a woman psychiatrist who happened to be married to a psychiatrist who was also a pedophile. They shared a medical practice Obviously when he went to jail they split up. She got better and wrote a book and is doing well.
1. I never objected to calling Ayres "The Beast;
ReplyDelete2. I have never been to a medcal conference and don't know anyone who has--let along spoke about Ayres at such an event.
3. I never called the author of this site "hysterical".
I never even posted on this site until yesterday, I do not know Ayres, and I do care one way or the other if he convicted, as long as he obtains a fair trial.
I do care that we as a society should be allowed to discuss issues of fairness without name calling or assuming that I must be someone who supports Ayres.
Last, the only way one could know "first hand" that Ayre's is a molester is if he molested you, and if that is the case I am sorry for your loss.
I am just a citizen who cares deeply about the ability of people accused of terrible things to obtain a fair trial.
That is all.
Last, the only way one could know "first hand" that Ayre's is a molester is if he molested you, and if that is the case I am sorry for your loss.
ReplyDeleteYeah... guess I got the short end of the straw... too bad for me.
Wouldn't want to step on any altruistic, defender of the constitution toes though...
I am wondering if a guy named Bob Gibson is posting here?
ReplyDeleteI still want to know why Dr. Etta Bryant; Dr. Dick Shadoan; Dr. Sam Leavitt and Thea didn't have the guts to show up when the ten victims testified.
ReplyDeleteMy Mom LOVES it when Deep Sounding calls Ayres "The Beast." And she's 84 years old!
ReplyDeleteThe Ayres case is the most viewed news story ever on the Male Survivor site:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=213466#Post213466
Warning to Solveig and other Ayres accolytes ( all three of them) who have been posting nasty comments here: if you try pulling that same stunt over at Male Survivor you will be run out of town. And banned.
Bloggers don't tip the scales of justice and contaminate the jury pool.
ReplyDeleteThe super highway of information was created for First Amendment Rights.....
Jurors receive instructions not to look or review information regarding the case they are on.
I can't say for certain jurors follow those instructions.
But a juror is more likely to walk past a newspaper stand and see a big headline, than to accidentally hit a button on a computer that comes directly to this site!
So to anonymous so worried about due process, I think Ayres is getting the best unbiased trial his wallet can afford.
He has Doron Weinberg as his defense attorney. He has jurors who hopefully have followed their duties.
Bloggers are part of the new information super highway and that has nothing to do at all about a fair trial.
Each morning the jury does not get the pages of this blog submitted to them.
So I miss the point about remaining unbiased. When a victim of the Beast says, I was molested by him I believe that victim. In fact many, many victims.
The people posting here are already convinced the Beast did what he is accused of, but we are not on the jury.
Why?
ReplyDeleteWhy do each of you post?
Why do you feel you need to do this?
If for some reason he is found not guilty, will you feel some shame?
Why should you - because you have wrought unneccessary pressure on the system. You couch what you do as "journalism," yet how is it journalism to demean how the prosecutor dresses, looks, and acts? Don't you think that does anything to her psyche? Well, why does she care what we say, you'll say. The question turns back on you - why do you sit for hours in court? Because you feel you have something to say that other people will take to heart. Do you want the prosecution to fail to make your point that Ayers should have been prosecuted years ago? What does that accomplish? If he goes free, all of you are to blame.
To anonymous July 10, 10:42.
ReplyDeleteYou must be a newbie: we almost never talk about what the prosecutor wears or acts. There's too much comedic relief over in the Ayres' galley to do this.
Come on now! How are we to blame if the prosecution fails? Don't you know that the judge has ordered the jury not to read anything about the case - either in newspapers or the blogs?
If the prosecution fails, they fail but it's nothing to do with us.
We'll throw your question back to you: Why do you post?
Why do you post?
ReplyDeleteI post because, when I was dying inside looking for information about the beast’s arrest and prosecution, I could find nothing substantial, even when major court hearings were held. Sometimes it would be days before I’d hear a blurb. I knew there were others like me out there, too mortified to make contact with people who had information, yet in traumatic pain, needing information about what was going on.
I firmly believe that they are still out there. The faster the information is available, from a perspective that is the same as theirs, the better. (I hope, but don’t have any way to know this for sure.)
If for some reason he is found not guilty, will you feel some shame?
Much of what I’m posting here is either commentary about my own struggles, or commentary about what I’ve seen in open court, press, etc (Information that is already out there, and much of that verifiable.) I don’t have any shame or guilt about posting any of that, and for the most part, it’s pretty accurate, even though posted with my biased tone, there will be no reason for me to feel guilty or shamed about those postings regardless of the outcome.
I have mentioned before that I am a practicing Christian. Every day I struggle with this site. I sometimes post commentary that is opinion that is mean spirited, especially with regard to those who support ayres, and I should not do that, yet I am so hurt by those people that I persist in those posts even though I should not.
I will probably never fully unburden that sin, as I have persisted, even knowing that it will weigh heavily on my soul. I try (even in writing this) to offset some of the burden “see what ayres, the beast, has wrought upon me?” But ultimately, I post these things of my own volition.
If the beast prevails, I will feel great grief, and either way will owe the prosecutor, and others involved, a great debt of gratitude.
If he goes free, all of you are to blame.
I suppose that’s a possibility. Everyone knows what he did now, regardless of the jury's decision and that will not change. Will your pain be lessened if he is locked up? I’m anticipating a devastating emotional collapse at the end of this, regardless of outcome.
This has been a shitty experience, and I’ve done what I thought I needed to do, making mistakes along the way.
Those were great questions, by the way. I’ve been struggling for some time with writing along this line.
Great response Deep Sounding.
ReplyDeleteI still don't agree that this blog would be to blame should the prosecutor loses. The person who posted that comment knows better than that.
ReplyDeleteAnon 10:42 p.m.
ReplyDeleteIt's unfortunate that you still haven't grasped what blogging is or isn't.
You also don't seem to understand that the fate of William Hamilton Ayres will be turned over to the jury next week. They decide.
Ayres took the stand in his own defense. He was given the freedon to talk about a woman stating "she thought I was going to remove my penis from my pants", running around buck naked in school smacking towels, he was able to talk to the jury about women passing gas, he talked about homosexual magazines, he was able to say he didn't examine females because they may just expose their large breasts to him.
Continued........
If anything he took his right to free speech and extended it right to the jury in person. It is up to the jury to find him innocent or guilty and it always has been.
ReplyDeleteWhy sites like this are important is victims don't get any assistance or psychological help from our government after being a victim or barely from your health insurance anymore. So, in additon to being the victim of a crime, you have to pick up the pieces of PTSD all on your own, and foot the bill if you elect treatment.
One way, and especially in this case where the victims may have been convinced that they were the only victim of Ayres abuse, this BLOG has been a way of sharing feelings amongst each other. You can post on here from anywhere in the world.
And although those feelings can be seen as anger, some sarcasim, sadness, hope, words from others as supportive, and sometimes a laugh - this is the importance of this site. Might I add it is also very educational.
It appears you have never been the victim of a crime. Well I have. Yes, we expect our prosecutor to win every battle and we hope that she does. If we get disappointed it may cause some frustration.
Who isn't mature enough to laugh about what we wear? Including ourselves. I am sure Ms. McKowan can handle it. They say laughter is the best medicine. A prosecutor has to be tough, hopefully pointing out that she wore a brown pantsuit isn't to harsh.
The context of this site is for many types of people to come together and share how the justice system helped or failed them.
Maybe you just haven't been exposed to such failures.
Guilt about a win or lose is not the issue. There was evidence, testimony, expert witnesses and such. It was unfortunate that Ayres porn was suppressed. It was also quite clear that Ayres wanted that suppressed as he pulled out a witness for the defense after this would open the door for his kiddie porn to be admitted.
I can imagine the disappointment when O.J. Simpson was found not guilty by the Goldman family.
But victims have suffered enough guilt and shame in their lives. I will feel disappointment if Ayres is not convicted, but hardly guilt or shame.
I will feel very proud either way that the prosecutor, the victims, Victoria Balfour, the supporters and everybody invloved did what they could to get Ayres dragged to the door of hell.
His finances are destroyed, four pending civil suits to contend with, no nest egg, poor health, he is ultimatley destroyed and those things started way before the date this blog began.
So you want to blame a blog and bloggers and toss in the mix a little guilt and shame. I am not buying what you are serving up.
I have meet blame switchers before.
I may be more advanced in the processes of being a crime victim that I will not accept blame or guilt from someone like you.
I hope Deep Sounding realizes he has no blame, no shame and no guilt in having such a wonderful blog for victims, patients, and sexual abuse survivors etc.
Bravo, for giving people a place to learn about what was done to you at the hands of an evil man.
Ayres would have been in the exact same situation right here, right now, regardless of this blog.
Ayres sold his house before this blog started. Ayres settled a civil suit before this blog started with a victim. Ayres sued his own medical group before this blog started. The four additonal civil suits, now pending, were filed before this blog.
Take your guilt and shame somewhere else!
I for one think this site has a useful purpose. Obviously, it is prejudiced and makes no bones about it, as the maker of the site is one of Ayres' victims.
ReplyDeleteIt was not until reading this and other info. about pedophilia that I realized that an event that happened to me several times when I was about 12 was not only not appropriate but wrong and harmful, and in fact the pain of it came to me 50 years after the fact!
Also, I think 40 out of 3000 is a very large number of those who would come forward.
I defend the first amendment right of free speech. The jury is no doubt instructed not to be reading this blog.
July 11, at 9:40 am.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your post. The number of victims is now upwards of 40. We know of at least three more who have not and most likely will never come forward to the police.
I still wonder if the "Why do you Post" poster has the initials "BG" ? Maybe SA?
ReplyDeleteHe or she doesn't seem to understand the basic principles of a trial. He asks why we sit in court for hours on end? Did it not occur to him that Americans have the right to sit in court and watch trials?
There's something really fishy about someone who tries to act holier than thou and at the same time cast blame. Whoever wrote the Why Do You Post comment is running from reality as fast as he(or she ) can. There's an undertow of emotional pain in that comment that makes me think it was ultimately written by someone in the Ayres family.
I applaud sites such as this and while it is anit-Ayres so what? We're intelligent individuals and come to our own conclusions. That said, I use my experience as part of the Hillsborough medical "elitist" crowd and in looking at the evidence, have come to my own conclusions. I've been out-spoken in my feelings about Ayres guilt, which some may find it interesting that my background and that of my husband is in defense forensic medicine. I have no trouble in defending my husband's expert medical testimony, because there are good physicians in all walks of life. Just because someone is more defense or prosecution orientated does not automatically make them a liar, or discredit their testimony.
ReplyDeleteHOWEVER, in this case, there is NO excuse for Ayres actions. No one with a moral compass or a half-day course in standard medical procedure, could possibly defend Ayres' conduct. He's an opportunist in the worst sense of the word and those that colluded with him to keep his pathology hidden, are just as guilty. Yes, I'm damning many in the medical community, which is painting with a broad stroke, however I'll be damned if I'll allow young people to be victimized by the likes of predators such as Ayres. I'm hoping for an early conviction on Monday morning and some resolution to his many victims.
It appears those on the Ayres front are having an extreme meltdown this weekend.
ReplyDeleteEmotions are running high.
But I would say the victims and supporters are at least still rational!
Anger, blame and guilt, so easy to toss at those who have already suffered.
I see through it and I see some very scared inner Ayres circle people panicing. Look you can still visit him in prison!
You can also contribute your personal assets to help him out.
I doubt this blog will interfere with what you wish to do in that regard.
Put your money where your mouth is and get his defense fund built up.
Stop writing here, as sympathy is depleted for the Beast.
Put your energy towards a charity event to help him out.
What about MasterWorks Chorale have they donated?
Sam & Thea have equity in their house, how about a loan?
Etta, we know you have equity?
I wanna see some real cash flowing to help this guy. This is the true measure of a friend....show me the money!
Ayres supporters open your wallets and prove how much you support Ayres.....don't just write, give him your hard earned assets.
Thanks, Susan. Great comments. The closing arguments will go on all day Monday and so the jury probably won't get the case until Tuesday.
ReplyDeleteThank you for speaking up. The San Mateo Citizens Review Panel in 2007 received the names of several doctors who had strong suspicions that Ayres was molesting boys. The Panel learned that instead of reporting Ayres, they just stopped sending boys to him.
The California Medical Board has the names of these doctors but the statute has run out and prosecuting them.
Perhaps the four victims who are filing the civil suits can use the information on the doctors who failed to act for their cases.
You should try to come to the closing arguments on Monday
To those who are concerned about Dr. William Ayres getting a fair trial in San Mateo County. He couldn't possibly have gotten a cooler trial then this one.
ReplyDeleteDistrict Attorney James P. Fox should have recused himself since he personally knows Ayres for 40 years and has served on committee"s with him. Fox has crafted a trial with no victims from San Mateo County Juvenile Hall where Dr. Ayres has worked since 1963 to 2005. 3 CPS reports have surfaced but not because of Fox, he keep them out of his case. The defense attorney brought (CPS) one up.
Welcome to San Mateo County
Michael G. Stogner
Best wishes to the prosecution. I hope victims and their families will show up.
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